Some questions after first solo attempt

[dlope]

Okay, I tried getting these answered by looking at previous posts. I found some answers, but some I either did not find or just need final clarification.

180 degrees front arc is required for LOS. That means if every model in an enemy group is facing south and I come in from the north, I do not roll an in-sight test. I just shoot. Since no in-sight is rolled, at this point can I just move instead and not shoot? And, I assume, if half the group is facing you and the other half is not, the whole group still reacts to the in-sight test

If a group is behind cover, is there a way for one figure to "peek" the corner to get LOS on a PEF without triggering an in-sight test? Like a roll to see if they saw you? Or would you just have to roll an in-sight test as normal? With that, if you win the in-sight test, would you HAVE to fire? Or could you just move back in cover? There's plenty of scenarios I can see where guys would want to peek to make sure an area is clear. To resolve all of these circumstances with someone HAVING to shoot seems a bit off to me.

Similar situation. If you're moving a group from one piece of cover to another piece of cover less than 2" apart, let's say you're moving the whole squad as a group, you can use the extra 2" movement to get each figure across and out of sight before the in-sight test. If the enemy you crossed in front of was a PEF, would you now resolve the PEF? or does it figure you were focused on where you were running and so did not get a good view on the enemy?

Similar question. If I'm behind cover, have a known enemy around the corner, for whatever reason don't want to get into a firefight right here, but just want to get from A to B. My plan is to peek an LMG around the corner shooting and hopefully cause the enemy to duck back so the rest of my boys can move without triggering further combat. I'm assuming the mechanics will not allow me to pop the corner firing? I still have to roll an in-sight test to see who reacts first? This kind of makes sense if the enemy knows I'm there and are waiting for me to pop out, but lets say they don't know I'm there, but I still know they're there, it seems a bit less likely they would be able to react before I lay waste with the LMG. 

When charging into melee, if that movement triggers an in-sight with a different group, does that in-sight always end my charge? If my charge continues after, does that affect the charged group's ability to take a shot at me? Like, if they can't based off the original role, can they now?

If a figure ducks back as a reaction to getting shot at, they still take the man down test if they fit the other parameters? So instead of ducking back, they can potentially leave the battlefield?

When rolling reinforcements, whether actual reinforcements or PEF resolution, the reinforcement table is pretty generic. Is there a way to decide which type of infantry it is (regular infantry vs airborne)? or which fighting vehicles it is (Panzer vs half track)? Or should I just make the decision on my own?

So I see that allies block LOS, but do enemies do not. So if I'm shooting into a group of 4, and the first 3 completely block the 4th, I can still target 4 (in fact I have to target 4 if I've already targeted the first 3) without any negative to my roll?

I think that's it! Sorry, there is a lot, but I think most of it is just a yes or no answer.

Thanks for the help!

[easyeight]

Howdy,
My take on this.

180 degrees front arc is required for LOS. That means if every model in an enemy group is facing south and I come in from the north, I do not roll an in-sight test. I just shoot. Since no in-sight is rolled, at this point can I just move instead and not shoot? And, I assume, if half the group is facing you and the other half is not, the whole group still reacts to the in-sight test

If you can see the enemy, and they can’t see you, there’s no In Sight test. Just keep moving, shoot ‘em or whatever you want.

If a group is behind cover, is there a way for one figure to "peek" the corner to get LOS on a PEF without triggering an in-sight test? Like a roll to see if they saw you? Or would you just have to roll an in-sight test as normal? With that, if you win the in-sight test, would you HAVE to fire? Or could you just move back in cover? There's plenty of scenarios I can see where guys would want to peek to make sure an area is clear. To resolve all of these circumstances with someone HAVING to shoot seems a bit off to me.

Yes, you can do that. Remember that after the In Sight test is triggered, the trigger figure and group can move up to 2”, including out of sight.

Similar situation. If you're moving a group from one piece of cover to another piece of cover less than 2" apart, let's say you're moving the whole squad as a group, you can use the extra 2" movement to get each figure across and out of sight before the in-sight test. If the enemy you crossed in front of was a PEF, would you now resolve the PEF? or does it figure you were focused on where you were running and so did not get a good view on the enemy?

You’d resolve the PEF and make an In Sight test. Your figures can keep moving into cover, as long as they have enough movement to get there.

Similar question. If I'm behind cover, have a known enemy around the corner, for whatever reason don't want to get into a firefight right here, but just want to get from A to B. My plan is to peek an LMG around the corner shooting and hopefully cause the enemy to duck back so the rest of my boys can move without triggering further combat. I'm assuming the mechanics will not allow me to pop the corner firing? I still have to roll an in-sight test to see who reacts first? This kind of makes sense if the enemy knows I'm there and are waiting for me to pop out, but lets say they don't know I'm there, but I still know they're there, it seems a bit less likely they would be able to react before I lay waste with the LMG.

You still have to pop out in order fire, triggering an In Sight test. I’ve used a House Rule that says you can blind fire at -1REP and the target is considered in Cover, same thing for suppressing fire if I haven’t seen anyone yet but there might be someone someplace, so give yourself a REP penalty and the target is in Cover.

When charging into melee, if that movement triggers an in-sight with a different group, does that in-sight always end my charge? If my charge continues after, does that affect the charged group's ability to take a shot at me? Like, if they can't based off the original role, can they now?

It will trigger an In Sight, if the Charging unit wins it can continue its charge, stop and shoot, etc.

If a figure ducks back as a reaction to getting shot at, they still take the man down test if they fit the other parameters? So instead of ducking back, they can potentially leave the battlefield?

The figure in Duck Back only takes Man Down if a friendly figure within 4” is killed, OOF or leaves the battlefield. So the figure would Duck Back first, then take the Man Down test.

When rolling reinforcements, whether actual reinforcements or PEF resolution, the reinforcement table is pretty generic. Is there a way to decide which type of infantry it is (regular infantry vs airborne)? or which fighting vehicles it is (Panzer vs half track)? Or should I just make the decision on my own?

The basic rules are generic, there are scenario books with more detailed lists based on that setting. Feel free to make up your own. For example, say I wanted to do a Normandy game – I could say, roll 1d6: (1) = Rep 3 Czech “volunteers,” (2-5) = Rep 4 German Infantry, (6) = Choice of Rep5 SS or Fallschirmjager. Same thing for vehicles.

So I see that allies block LOS, but do enemies do not. So if I'm shooting into a group of 4, and the first 3 completely block the 4th, I can still target 4 (in fact I have to target 4 if I've already targeted the first 3) without any negative to my roll?

Sure, as the rules are written – but I play that all figures block LOS, unless I’m in a higher level than those figures. Welcome to NUTS!

Cheers!

[dlope]

Thanks easyeight! That was very helpful!

[jgregory]

Jun 16, 2022 21:31:36 GMT dlope said:

I always write my own reinforcement list before the game so that it scales well with the size and type of combat that I'm playing.

[Thomas E]

I would like to ask some followup questions. I am still in my first read-through of the rules and mounting a list of questions. I was just browsing through the forum to maybe find some questions. I would like to follow-up on the excellent questions from dlope, and the answers by easyeight.

180 degrees front arc is required for LOS. That means if every model in an enemy group is facing south and I come in from the north, I do not roll an in-sight test. I just shoot. Since no in-sight is rolled, at this point can I just move instead and not shoot? And, I assume, if half the group is facing you and the other half is not, the whole group still reacts to the in-sight test

If you can see the enemy, and they can’t see you, there’s no In Sight test. Just keep moving, shoot ‘em or whatever you want.

But what happens if someone can see you? If there is a rear guard of one or two soldiers, an In sight is triggered. You win and shot them down. Since I can still carry on, would I then be able to make additional movement if I have and then fire at the rest of the group faced away? 
Yes, you can active fire immediately, then once resolved you can move. Example - You step out and see three enemy, one is facing you and sees you, the other two do not. In Sight, you win, takes out the one figure that can see you. Now Active fire on the rest. Once over, resume movement.

If a group is behind cover, is there a way for one figure to "peek" the corner to get LOS on a PEF without triggering an in-sight test? Like a roll to see if they saw you? Or would you just have to roll an in-sight test as normal? With that, if you win the in-sight test, would you HAVE to fire? Or could you just move back in cover? There's plenty of scenarios I can see where guys would want to peek to make sure an area is clear. To resolve all of these circumstances with someone HAVING to shoot seems a bit off to me.

Yes, you can do that. Remember that after the In Sight test is triggered, the trigger figure and group can move up to 2”, including out of sight.

Maybe I have old rules, in mine (dated 10/28/2020) the order is different, on page 19 directly below the "Talking the In Sight Test" it is: "After the triggering group has moved up to two additional inches all figures in sight of an enemy, or having the enemy in sight will take the test." From this and the explanation I get that the In Sight is triggered after the movement. The In Sight test will trigger who gets to shot first, so if I lose then I can decide to move out of the action - which does not ring true for me. 

Me personally, a quick peak around the corner to trigger the PEF, without an In Sight would be ok. But to take action against it (such as fire) would be to move a figure within LOS, get an In Sight triggered, move more units 2" and then roll the In Sight and hope/pray to win. Have I missed something?
In the rules you are using. I'm in cover and there's a PEF out there. My first guy steps out and sees it. My movement is stopped. I have 2" left to move for the whole group. I either move more figures only 2" more and into sight, or duck back out of sight. If I win the In Sight, the group can continue moving. If not, movement is over.

Similar situation. If you're moving a group from one piece of cover to another piece of cover less than 2" apart, let's say you're moving the whole squad as a group, you can use the extra 2" movement to get each figure across and out of sight before the in-sight test. If the enemy you crossed in front of was a PEF, would you now resolve the PEF? or does it figure you were focused on where you were running and so did not get a good view on the enemy?

You’d resolve the PEF and make an In Sight test. Your figures can keep moving into cover, as long as they have enough movement to get there.

I had the same question, but a sneaky follow-up. I trigger the In sight, and move the figure Out of sight on the other side. When I then start move again, the next figure of the group trigger, moves Out of Sight, the third... 
I can then move the whole group in quick pace to the other side, triggering, but moving away from the In Sight test (and thus the roll)? Must be frustrating for the opponent. 
Nope, doesn't work that way. You move by groups, not figures. page 14 allows you to break up into two groups. So, first guy comes into sight. All can move 2" more. First guy runs across the rest won't make it or they stay in cover - movement over. If you trigger an In Sight and you win, then can continue to move.  Hope this makes sense.



These are my first of what might be a lot more - a great game and looking forward to my first game!!

[Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy]

Thomas - Your reply is in your message that I put in red.

[Thomas E]

Ed - thank you for the explanations. It now makes a sense.

If I may, I would like to add some other questions:
1. If a unit goes prone. Will it count as in cover when fired at? Might have missed it somewhere but can not find the advantage of being prone. I guess that it wont count as being in cover though, right?

2.I love the movement rules of vehicles since one is forced to think. However, how do I follow the rules for Duck back? IT goes to cover within 12", but this is without using normal drive rules. Thus a vehicle may be forced to move into a position backwards that may otherwise take 1-2 activations and maybe some tests. No problem, just want to make sure I understand it correctly.

[Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy]

No bonus for being prone, just a penalty to get back up. You could count it as being in cover.
I consider ducking back with a vehicle turning around and moving.