Do I understand those rules correctly?

[adzi]

Hello there, I have some questions about the 2015 edition of CR.

Rules as written, if there are buildings on the board, each one can generate a PEF. Does that work this way even during the games in Urban environments? Because that would often result in generating crazy enemy numbers.

Also, a PEF is generated when I move within 12" of a building and I have LOS to it. But then it's written to "resolve it normally". Does it mean that I should resolve it right then, or after I get LOS to the PEF itself?

"The first time coming within 12” and LOS to a building a PEF is generated inside the building. Resolve it normally. If the PEF did not resolve as an enemy:
The first time the building is entered resolve aPEF using 3d6, counting the lowest two results.

Resolve a PEF for each area of the building."

This seems to imply that the PEF generated when coming close to the building is resolved immediately, and if it fails to generate enemies, you still will risk facing it if you enter the building. Also, is PEF resolved "for each area of the building" only after entering it, or when getting close to it?

If PEF resolution results in enemies being present in the building when coming close to it, are they considered being positioned at windows and doors?

How charging enemies in buildings would work, either from the outside, or within?

Can a figure move, shoot, then use up the rest of their movement? (not that it would be usable for some corner abuse, thanks to the In Sight rules)

What happens if a PEF is placed within LOS of player's figures during the set-up? Does an In Sight roll happen immediately after any of involved groups activate?

For purposes of Concealment and Cover rules, when is a Moving figure considered to have ceased moving and become Stationary? After finishing Movement? If the part about finishing movement after taking a shot was correct, and after firing the figure would resume its movement, would it be considered Stationary or Moving for the possible Returned Fire (and so, the possible usage of Cover)

If a figure would come In Sight of an enemy simultaneously (well, as simultaneously as you can in a board-less movement system) with acheving a Covered position (for example, a hill's ridge, or a corner of a building, if allowed to be used as Cover), would this figure be consider as in Cover for purposes of any possible firefight?

Targetting rules: "Figures match up one on one when targeting each other whether firing or charging into melee. The firing side when shooting or the charging side if going into melee determines target allocation." How does this interact with weapons having more than 1 Target? If I have a single dude with a 3 Target weapon shoot at a 3 men group, can I just focus all 3 dice on a single enemy? Would only this one enemy roll a reaction for Receiving Fire (with a chance of Returning Fire), with other people doing nothing (or, more possibly, they would only roll on a fairly propable Man Down reaction)? Or I would have to, in all cases, if possible, spread all shots from any firing group across the targetted group? If a single enemy rolls a Return Fire against multiple attackers, does he spreads his shots across all shooters, or focuses on only one?

[Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy]

Sept 20, 2019 21:07:57 GMT adzi said:

Hello there, I have some questions about the 2015 edition of CR.

Here goes. Personally I would use CR 2018 as it is easier to use and the gamers have wanted less detail. 2018 gets the same results but had less dice rolling. On to the questions. 
Rules as written, if there are buildings on the board, each one can generate a PEF. Does that work this way even during the games in Urban environments? Because that would often result in generating crazy enemy numbers. Potentially yes it could, but you have to generate them (page 24). The scenarios use 3 PEFs normally.

Also, a PEF is generated when I move within 12" of a building and I have LOS to it. But then it's written to "resolve it normally". Does it mean that I should resolve it right then, or after I get LOS to the PEF itself?  Yes, you see the building from 12" away. Resolve it to see if the enemy is inside in cover and can fire at you. If there isn't one you could trigger one if you entered the building.

"The first time coming within 12” and LOS to a building a PEF is generated inside the building. Resolve it normally. If the PEF did not resolve as an enemy:
The first time the building is entered resolve a PEF using 3d6, counting the lowest two results.

Resolve a PEF for each area of the building."

This seems to imply that the PEF generated when coming close to the building is resolved immediately, and if it fails to generate enemies, you still will risk facing it if you enter the building. Also, is PEF resolved "for each area of the building" only after entering it, or when getting close to it?  You have it correct. See it from 12" and resolve it, if none then if you go inside check again. If you resolved it as an enemy when outside of the building, there will  not be one inside.

If PEF resolution results in enemies being present in the building when coming close to it, are they considered being positioned at windows and doors? Correct, in cover and can fire.

How charging enemies in buildings would work, either from the outside, or within? If you see them from outside they would charge at you from inside if they can each. if they are inside they charge normally

Can a figure move, shoot, then use up the rest of their movement? (not that it would be usable for some corner abuse, thanks to the In Sight rules) Yes it can. You could Fast move 4", trigger an In Sight, move 2" more then firefight. After that's over you could move up to another 10".

What happens if a PEF is placed within LOS of player's figures during the set-up? Does an In Sight roll happen immediately after any of involved groups activate? Yep, immediately. It's good to stay in cover as long as you can.   

For purposes of Concealment and Cover rules, when is a Moving figure considered to have ceased moving and become Stationary? After finishing Movement?  Correct. If the part about finishing movement after taking a shot was correct, and after firing the figure would resume its movement, would it be considered Stationary or Moving for the possible Returned Fire (and so, the possible usage of Cover) Considered stationary until fire is finished.

If a figure would come In Sight of an enemy simultaneously (well, as simultaneously as you can in a board-less movement system) with acheving a Covered position (for example, a hill's ridge, or a corner of a building, if allowed to be used as Cover), would this figure be consider as in Cover for purposes of any possible firefight? Yep, happens all the time. You move while in cover, get to the edge and stop.

Targetting rules: "Figures match up one on one when targeting each other whether firing or charging into melee. The firing side when shooting or the charging side if going into melee determines target allocation." How does this interact with weapons having more than 1 Target? You pick the 1st target then add additional targets up to the Target Rating. So TR 3 could fire at 3 guys. Or dump all 3 on one guy. Best to target the 1st guy only once as he gets the highest d6 result. If I have a single dude with a 3 Target weapon shoot at a 3 men group, can I just focus all 3 dice on a single enemy? Would only this one enemy roll a reaction for Receiving Fire (with a chance of Returning Fire), with other people doing nothing (or, more possibly, they would only roll on a fairly propable Man Down reaction)? Correct, he takes Received Fire they will take the Man Down probably. Now after you turn is over the guys that didn't get fired at active fire at you without an In Sight becasue you started the turn in sight.  Or I would have to, in all cases, if possible, spread all shots from any firing group across the targetted group? If a single enemy rolls a Return Fire against multiple attackers, does he spreads his shots across all shooters, or focuses on only one? You choose who you fire at, in reaction figures only fire at the guys that shot at them. CR is different yet realistic. Hopes this helps.

Ed

[adzi]

Yes, this definitely helps, thanks.

Although I think there are still some cases:

- what if a units outside of the building decide to charge enemies stationed in building? I GUESS it would possibly either mean that assaulters will have either to have enough movement to get within 6" of any given entrance, or have enough movement to actually get in - and then, the targets would be possibly either restricted to the max 2 people stationed at the assaulted entrance, or anyone inside if the used entrance was not manned.
That's my interpretation, any pointers?

- consider a situation in which not all figures from both groups were involved in an In Sight - for example, a moving group reveals itself and triggers an In Sight while having only a part of their figures visible, then continues their movement revealing the rest of the figures. Would another In Sight roll be made? Would their roll benefit from the Leader's Rep and Leader Die if the Leader already was in the part of the group which triggered the In Sight previously? If movers won this second In Sight, who would be able to shoot, only the figures which just revealed itself? If movers lost, who could be targetted, the whole group again, or just those figures in the back?

- another edge cases, maybe possible in some dark forest or something. While the Group coherency stays unbroken, two halves of the Group come into mutual LOS of two different enemy Groups, while those enemy groups only see a single half of the moving group each - and each half of the moving group only see the one enemy group, as well. What would happen - considering that the halves won't (or can't) use the free 2" movement to either break the Group coherency or achieve the full mutual LOS with both enemy Groups for both halves, should I roll In Sights separately for both halves, or still resolve them together?

Or is the In Sight resolved only once for the entire Group until it completely hides itself again?

Yes, I know that 2018 edition is much simpler, but it seems a bit too barebones for me - maybe they actual games made based on it are more refined, but the base system looks like it doesn't even really justify using miniatures, or even tokens - just two groups shooting at each other, one maybe has cover. It doesn't even has movement. No offense.