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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 19, 2019 2:21:21 GMT
OK yet more questions! Here goes.In this first patrol mission I've rolled reinforcements.. In this case two Germans coming from across the board. Are the patrol based attack or defensive? Is this how I determine how they move towards me? edit: I think I got it. This scenario starts as a patrol for the Germans and only if they have great rolls will actually move towards me. but reading on... Okay.getting two two successes I got— “NP FORCE TAKES COVER AND CONVERTS TO A DEFEND MISSION. If destroy or force enemy to Leave the Battlefield will revert to a Patrol Mission.” Converting to defend. Is this immediate Yes. And if so would I roll again? No, it's immediate change, no need to roll. not clear on the second part..if destroy or force enemy? Right. If they force the enemy to leave or destroy them, they go back to the Patrol mission. is this meaning for cases where I had multiple squads and the one in contact with this enemy was routed or destroyed *then* this German force would return to a patrol status? No, this means if the defending sqaud wins, it goes back to patrol. Hope this helps.
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Post by walt on May 19, 2019 11:14:33 GMT
I added text between ****s
Converting to defend. Is this immediate Yes. And if so would I roll again? No, it's immediate change, no need to roll.
*** So when switching to defend, if you don’t roll what option do you pick on the defend table ? A 2 result as the original roll?***
not clear on the second part..if destroy or force enemy? Right. If they force the enemy to leave or destroy them, they go back to the Patrol mission.
is this meaning for cases where I had multiple squads and the one in contact with this enemy was routed or destroyed *then* this German force would return to a patrol status? No, this means if the defending sqaud wins, it goes back to patrol. Hope this helps.
**in my scenario the defending squad meaning the Germans who switched to defense?**
The more “aha” I get the more I’m really enjoying this...ty for bearing with me, I’ve almost got it ! Lol.
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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 19, 2019 21:37:28 GMT
I added text between ****s Converting to defend. Is this immediate Yes. And if so would I roll again? No, it's immediate change, no need to roll. *** So when switching to defend, if you don’t roll what option do you pick on the defend table ? A 2 result as the original roll? Correct. When it doubt, don't overthink it and try to do what makes the most sense.*** not clear on the second part..if destroy or force enemy? Right. If they force the enemy to leave or destroy them, they go back to the Patrol mission. is this meaning for cases where I had multiple squads and the one in contact with this enemy was routed or destroyed *then right* this German force would return to a patrol status? No, this means if the defending sqaud wins, it goes back to patrol. Hope this helps. **in my scenario the defending squad meaning the Germans who switched to defense? Okay, got it** The more “aha” I get the more I’m really enjoying this...ty for bearing with me, I’ve almost got it ! Lol.
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Post by walt on May 19, 2019 21:41:05 GMT
You rock Ed thanks!
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Post by walt on May 26, 2019 1:51:55 GMT
So I finally got back to the table to conclude my first patrol mission..I’d like to recap the end to catch errors.
So my groups two remaining pefs turned out to be nothing but rolling activation I produced 2 reinforcements in the far corner where I’d eventually need to recon. Since they were defensive and smaller than my group they only would hold position.
When I made it to the held up Germans section (woods) I initially moved my 5 rep star within wooded visual range and did a in sight check. Winning it.
I then moved all of my group 2” so they all were valid shooters.
I decided to use my star to fire his smg first delegating 2 shots to the first and the remainder to the other. Causing the first to duck back and missing the second. Better to fire one on the first and two one the second because the dice are applied high to low. Next I opted for my lmg to have a go rolling a knock down on the 1st and duck back on the 2nd. (Both Germans were in cover btw due to sitting still this whole time prior)
My remaining guys didn’t do much so the one Germans down the other ducks back..(now in woods what do I define as cover for him to move to?) I had him move away 6” and go prone. Just outside of 1" from the edge of the woods as he's now out of sight.
Since I believe my objective was to patrol the 3 far sections for a whole turn I deemed the mission complete but rolled for activation to be sure a pef or reinforcements didn’t arrive and since that didn’t happen, I called it a day.
Did this seem somewhat accurate? Yep, appears so. Future games will get easier and can become second nature..
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Post by walt on May 27, 2019 18:49:12 GMT
On to a attack mission.. But I'm not clear this means :
"STOP! Playing the Missions is easy. Just go down the Mission for step-by-step instructions. Remember that your first Mission is a Patrol. When the first PEF is resolved, roll to see what is the Non-Player’s Mission (page 62)"
Is this the" next mission table? " I'm confused as the text about refers to rolling.
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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 27, 2019 19:32:08 GMT
On to a attack mission.. But I'm not clear this means : "STOP! Playing the Missions is easy. Just go down the Mission for step-by-step instructions. Remember that your first Mission is a Patrol. When the first PEF is resolved, roll to see what is the Non-Player’s Mission (page 62)" Is this the" next mission table? " I'm confused as the text about refers to rolling. Should be page 65. Fixed!
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Post by walt on May 28, 2019 20:11:22 GMT
So I've set up the board terrain & have rolled for pef.
The one initial pef starts out in visual range so I have rolled a German Squad in defensive position.
The question I have is regarding the the placement of the enemy. "The Defensive Position will be 6 + 1/2d6 inches per squad in length." I rolled a six so I assume I'm adding three to this number which would be 9 in. Does this mean each German figure is spaced 9 inch apart from each other and if so are they out of range for command?
Does a NP enemy even have to worry about chain of command and the four inch spacing rule?
Ty for the help I did scour the rulebook but didn't find anything definitive. I'm searching it's there but trying to do this while getting ready to leave work LOL
Edit: wait a minute.. Perhaps that's total* length for the entire* squad?
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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 29, 2019 15:52:45 GMT
So I've set up the board terrain & have rolled for pef. The one initial pef starts out in visual range so I have rolled a German Squad in defensive position. The question I have is regarding the the placement of the enemy. "The Defensive Position will be 6 + 1/2d6 inches per squad in length." I rolled a six so I assume I'm adding three to this number which would be 9 in. Does this mean each German figure is spaced 9 inch apart from each other and if so are they out of range for command? 9" in total length is from the two end figures, with everyone else i between.Does a NP enemy even have to worry about chain of command and the four inch spacing rule? Yes, if it happens.Ty for the help I did scour the rulebook but didn't find anything definitive. I'm searching it's there but trying to do this while getting ready to leave work LOL Edit: wait a minute.. Perhaps that's total* length for the entire* squad? Got it. Hope this helps.
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Post by walt on May 30, 2019 20:30:24 GMT
Ok.. this was my first moderately large scale operation and as such had fun but feel a little overwhelmed LOL. There was a little confusion so I thought I would do a quick recap with a few questions to clear up
I’m sure I got quite a few things wrong and will be going over the rules in anticipation for a response here to set me straight!
I had a group of US paratroopers nine strong enter the bottom edge of the board. There was a PEF out in a farmers field which turned out to be a squad of German infantry I believe 10 strong. Since a possible enemy force is supposed to be at the center most of the Germans were out in the open with a few near large rolled hey bales.
Rolling for activation the US side won with a 5 and the Germans 2 which I believe called for reinforcements to appear On the US side which said “remainder of a platoon” I believe I added an additional squad of 10 in the woods adjacent to the original group of paratroopers.
Having activation, I moved my star rep 5 along with everyone up to the edge of bushes out looking the field. Unfortunately rolling for the in sight I lost so Germans were shooting first. Since they did not win activation I was not sure whether or not they were able to move or were forced to shoot where they stood. I opted to have them fire as they were standing. I noticed when I placed the Germans down somewhat randomly they were not all facing the Americans I am not sure if this would affect their ability to shoot?
The initial fire fight had several Germans ducking back a few fleeing the battlefield One OOF and one KIA obviously all from when the Americans were able to return fire or had them outgunned. The US had one KIA and several duck backs.
At this point I have gone through all of the German infantry allowing them to shoot at relevant targets and I’m not exactly sure what options I have now.
Since the Americans initially won activation, they really haven’t had an opportunity to make a move. Can my remaining guys who aren’t in duck back move into position and shoot? Can the Americans that fired in reaction to being shot at also now shoot?
And what about the reinforcement squad that appeared in the woods nearby? Are they part of my initial activation and if so am I able to move them into position and fire as well? Would they need an in sight check I assume? And if they were to lose this insight check the remaining Germans in the field would once again get to fire at them?
edit: With so many units I was having a hard time keeping track of who did what. I’ve noticed from various places people have markers that indicate various things. Is there a resource for these or are they all home built?
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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 30, 2019 21:50:11 GMT
Here goes. Ok.. this was my first moderately large scale operation and as such had fun but feel a little overwhelmed LOL. There was a little confusion so I thought I would do a quick recap with a few questions to clear up I’m sure I got quite a few things wrong and will be going over the rules in anticipation for a response here to set me straight! I had a group of US paratroopers nine strong enter the bottom edge of the board. There was a PEF out in a farmers field which turned out to be a squad of German infantry I believe 10 strong. Since a possible enemy force is supposed to be at the center most of the Germans were out in the open with a few near large rolled hey bales. Rolling for activation the US side won with a 5 and the Germans 2 which I believe called for reinforcements to appear On the US side which said “remainder of a platoon” I believe I added an additional squad of 10 in the woods adjacent to the original group of paratroopers. Having activation, I moved my star rep 5 along with everyone up to the edge of bushes out looking the field. Unfortunately rolling for the in sight I lost so Germans were shooting first. Since they did not win activation I was not sure whether or not they were able to move or were forced to shoot where they stood. I opted to have them fire as they were standing. I noticed when I placed the Germans down somewhat randomly they were not all facing the Americans I am not sure if this would affect their ability to shoot? They should be placed facing the same way, towards the enemy entry side,. The initial fire fight had several Germans ducking back a few fleeing the battlefield One OOF and one KIA obviously all from when the Americans were able to return fire or had them outgunned. The US had one KIA and several duck backs. At this point I have gone through all of the German infantry allowing them to shoot at relevant targets and I’m not exactly sure what options I have now. Since the Americans initially won activation, they really haven’t had an opportunity to make a move. Can my remaining guys who aren’t in duck back move into position and shoot? Yep, but this will cause another In Sight if they weren't in the first one. Can the Americans that fired in reaction to being shot at also now shoot? Yes, they can take active fire. And what about the reinforcement squad that appeared in the woods nearby? Are they part of my initial activation and if so am I able to move them into position and fire as well? Yes if they could activate based on the leader Rep. Would they need an in sight check I assume? Yep, as they are moving later they trigger a new In Sight. And if they were to lose this insight check the remaining Germans in the field would once again get to fire at them? Yep.edit: With so many units I was having a hard time keeping track of who did what. I’ve noticed from various places people have markers that indicate various things. Is there a resource for these or are they all home built? Check out Litko, they may still have them
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Post by walt on May 30, 2019 22:20:55 GMT
The Germans that won in sight but not activation..could I have moved them or should they have stayed in place?
Also: since the US was yet to do anything can the guys who ducked back now attempt to recover. And if the succeed would they be subject to in sight all over again? Ty again for your help with a great game!
edit: perhaps this explains it..so I guess no movement!
”Figures Hunkered Down or Leaving the Table cannot score better than current status. Fire – includes those that have Ducked Back if they have LOS. If cannot fire will Charge into Melee if within 6”. If cannot fire or Charge into Melee and in range of the enemy, will Duck Back.”
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Post by walt on May 30, 2019 22:27:38 GMT
Having fun with the learning process!
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Post by Ed the Two Hour Wargames Guy on May 31, 2019 0:32:36 GMT
The Germans that won in sight but not activation..could I have moved them or should they have stayed in place? Also: since the US was yet to do anything can the guys who ducked back now attempt to recover. And if the succeed would they be subject to in sight all over again? Ty again for your help with a great game! edit: perhaps this explains it..so I guess no movement! Correcto mundo!”Figures Hunkered Down or Leaving the Table cannot score better than current status. Fire – includes those that have Ducked Back if they have LOS. If cannot fire will Charge into Melee if within 6”. If cannot fire or Charge into Melee and in range of the enemy, will Duck Back.”
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